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Post by k on Aug 7, 2013 7:02:58 GMT -5
I ask the question because wit the new 6 division setup I believe the state tournament will be 8 man brackets? With that being said the VISAA state tournament will consist of a 32 man bracket. With that being said do you think it's tougher now to get through the VISAAstate tournament compared to the 6A tournament?
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Post by Private on Aug 7, 2013 7:31:56 GMT -5
Well, not speaking to the aggregate talent represented in each weight class, yes, it would seem to be harder to be first out of a pool of 32 versus a pool of 8.
In regards to top level talent, VISAA still lags behind, but I am not sure why. They offer a great environment and education, and often a lot of flexibility. Cost is probably the biggest barrier.
VISAA's top one or two at each weight class are probably in the top 10 in the state in most weight classes. In addition, they have some studs that can compete against anyone - Prata, Kelly, Runzo, Thoma.
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Post by guest 666 on Aug 7, 2013 12:04:51 GMT -5
By pure numbers (1 of 32 vs 1 of 8) you may be able to make the arguement. But the depth in VISAA is just not there yet. In the new 6 division set up, certain regions are going to make it very difficult just to get to the final 8 in the public school classes. So by getting to and winning a bracket with 8 studs (or at least semi-studs) in it, I say you accomplish more than winning a bracket of 32 with maybe 4 "really good" kids in it. I can envision a scenario where a public school kid could finish 5th in a tough region and not even make state, and he would be capable of making the semi-finals in VISAA state.
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Post by Private on Aug 7, 2013 13:05:28 GMT -5
I agree with everything Guess 666 said, outside of a several really great kids, I would put VISAA more on par with 1A-3A. Obviously Christiansburg is an all-Virginia kid of team, but I think the top teams and individuals in VISAA can compete comparably with the top teams in the those classes. Again acknowledging there are always going to be kids like Atkinson, Pickett, Wesley, Janis, Prata, and some others, that are as good as any kid in the state.
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5a and 6a would win
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Post by 5a and 6a would win on Aug 20, 2013 7:56:48 GMT -5
Even with the WATER DOWN STATES, I believe 5A and 6A will handle the best of the VISSA. Just looking at the line up for each weight. I GIVING VISSA PINS IF THEY WIN. I WILL NOT GIVE NO PINS TO THE 5A VISSA vs 5A VISSA 5A 103 PRATA VS S JACKSON 6 113 HARVICK VS B JACKSON 6 120 KELLY VS TIMOK 5 126 RUNZO VS BUTTON OR BELTRAN 5 132 WALKER VS ADUESEI OR HULCHER 4 138 CORBIN VS MERRIAM OR GORDON 5 145 WALKER VS RICHARDS 5 152 THAGARD VS SHANE ICE 3 160 RUDNICK VS JESSE MONDE TOSS UP 170 AVGEROS VS SWAN 6 EVENTHOUGH SWANN IS RANKED AHEAD 182 THOMAS VS CAMPBELL TOSS UP 195 MOORE VS COX 3 220 HAYES VS SPRUILL 5 HWT ANTHONY VS HELMS 5 Finals 18 to 40 The score would be 40 to 18. And if we give the two toss up to VISSA, that would be another 12 points for VISSA. Now the score is 40 to 30. Say we give them 152 too. the score would be 37 to 36. no way VISSA is on par with Virginia WATERED DOWN STATES.
Even with the WATER DOWN STATES, I believe 6A will handle the best of the VISSA. Just looking at the line up for each weight. I GIVING VISSA PINS IF THEY WIN. I WILL NOT GIVE NO PINS TO THE 6A VISSA vs 6A VISSA 6A 103 PRATA VS ASPER 6 113 HARVICK VS NAILS 5 120 KELLY VS MANLEY 5 126 RUNZO VS RIGGS 5 132 WALKER VS JEFF STONE 4 138 CORBIN VS COREY LEONARD 5 145 WALKER VS HARRIS 4 152 THAGARD VS BASS 5 160 RUDNICK VS MISUNA 5 70 AVGEROS VS Z DEPASQUALE 3 182 THOMAS VS C DEPASQUALE 5 195 MOORE VS LOVE 5 220 HAYES VS GRAYSON 5 HWT ANTHONY VS PINKSTON 5 FINAL 6 TO 61
VISSA WILL BE LUCKY TO GET 2 WINS VS 6A. BUT LETS GIVE THEM 3 WIN. THAT WILL BE 18 TO 51
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Post by Chances Are on Aug 20, 2013 9:54:06 GMT -5
Good points and fair reasoning.
I would say that legitimate threats to Class 5 and 6 in VISAA are: Prata, Kelly, Harvich.
Guys like Thoma, Runzo, Walker, Thagard, Rudnick, Bruce etc. are pretty good, but not going to threaten the top of those lists, but time will tell.
I don't know if the VISAA kids put as much time and effort in, however, they do end up going to college at a much better rate.
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Post by 69 on Aug 20, 2013 10:35:24 GMT -5
Good points and fair reasoning. I would say that legitimate threats to Class 5 and 6 in VISAA are: Prata, Kelly, Harvich. Guys like Thoma, Runzo, Walker, Thagard, Rudnick, Bruce etc. are pretty good, but not going to threaten the top of those lists, but time will tell. I don't know if the VISAA kids put as much time and effort in, however, they do end up going to college at a much better rate.
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Post by 1310 on Aug 20, 2013 10:38:43 GMT -5
Guys in VISAA are definitely working just as hard if not harder than public school kids. I have first hand knowledge of the work ethic by these kids. Just becasue they are in a private school doesnt mean they dont work hard at a tough sport.
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Post by 5a and 6a on Aug 22, 2013 9:12:43 GMT -5
1310 is right. alot of those kids work off season with the public school. during the season i know they have a hard workout too. as for college, come on. some of the kids in public can barely afford to wrestle, let alone pay for private school. on average, the parents of the kids that go to private school makes more than public school parents. i will also guess on percent more of those parents went to college.
Yes much better rate because of there social and ecomonic condition.
SO YES YOU ARE RIGHT, THEY DO GO TO COLLEGE AT A MUCH BETTER RATE.
if a parent can pay 20k a year to go to high school, then they can also afford to pay for there son or daughter to go to college.
a public school parent that makes 35k or say 50k maybe cannot afford college, let alone Private high school.
so please leave that one alone.
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Post by My 2 cents..... on Aug 22, 2013 18:12:45 GMT -5
Dollars are just one of the reasons that contribute to the difference, there are quite a few others. It would also not account for the difference in graduation rates, SAT scores, and other metrics that seem to favor private school students. There is a reason most of these schools are called college preparatory, it is because of what their program is built to do. Non-college paths are not often an option for students to choose. Their work is primarily geared to mirror college requirements and workloads. And for many students that have experienced both, they will more than likely notice the difference in homework, depth of topical studies, and higher level of expectations.
Lastly, I would encourage students who not have a parent making '35K or 50K' to look into student loans, grants, and other financial tools. They are available and used by the great majority of kids in college.
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Post by My 2 cents..... on Aug 22, 2013 18:20:43 GMT -5
One last note, in many states the draw of a superior college preparatory program combined with awards/scholarships does allow them to recruit some of the best athletes available and compete at a level at or above many of the public schools. I personally believe Virginia is headed in that direction, however they have a ways to go.
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Post by Eiwaman on Dec 10, 2013 15:52:32 GMT -5
1310 is right. alot of those kids work off season with the public school. during the season i know they have a hard workout too. as for college, come on. some of the kids in public can barely afford to wrestle, let alone pay for private school. on average, the parents of the kids that go to private school makes more than public school parents. i will also guess on percent more of those parents went to college. Yes much better rate because of there social and ecomonic condition. SO YES YOU ARE RIGHT, THEY DO GO TO COLLEGE AT A MUCH BETTER RATE. if a parent can pay 20k a year to go to high school, then they can also afford to pay for there son or daughter to go to college. a public school parent that makes 35k or say 50k maybe cannot afford college, let alone Private high school. so please leave that one alone. Ok I'm WAY late to the party on this one but I think this comparison is blending into an apples to oranges discussion. On one hand we're talking about level of competition between Privates and Publics and then we're moving into who can afford to attend college. While on the surface it appears to make sense, but here is the flaw in this discussion. Are we talking about attending college to wrestle or just attending college period. Those are two entirely different discussions.
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